Monday, April 20, 2015

Pigs 101

Hog panels.

Shelter.

Shade.

Water (that won't tip).

Feed.

Pigs - plural, they deserve company.

Soon...a wallow as temperatures increase.

42 comments:

  1. Can they get inside that box? Because the little lean to hardly looks big enough for 1. Where's the water?

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    1. There's water in the black water tub...not sure what you're looking at. Are you too used to looking at Jenna's horrific pig setups you can't recognize one that's good?

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    2. The black tub looks dry to me. Is there actually water in it? Perhaps my computer screen color is different than yours? No reason for such a nasty response.

      And we all know if Jenna has posted that picture with a little box and a pic of a tiny lean-to, someone would call her out here. Weird Meredith never answered my questions.

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    3. That's not for water, it's for feed...notice the crumbs in it? They just finished eating and are snoozing. They wake up to it full of a wet mash feed.

      Its not a little box...Its a box with sufficient space for 2 very small/young pigs. There is a top is put on it to keep the rain out and body heat in. As you can sew the box is in the center to provide accessible shade at all times.

      The "lean to" is actually plywood leaned against the box to keep precipitation out in the event of crazy horizontal wind/rain because there are slits in the wood creating the box. The pigs pushed it out a little before we nailed it on and seemed to use it as their preferred sleeping spot...so we left it

      I had written a longer response describing needs in various weather conditions and why that shelter is appropriate for this specific geographic location during this time of year based on climate, temperature, and other environmental conditions but when I submitted "blogger experienced a problem and stopped working" and did not and likely will not take the time to expand more than I have here.

      I'm not going to highlight and outline What the pigs needs are and not provide for them. What part of this blog makes you think I would deny pigs appropriate food, water, shelter, or necessary care?

      IF that container was used for water the pigs would have overturned it in a second and made themselves a lovely wallow and not had water accessible (ring a bell? Hello Jenna woginrich and Merlin...provide water in a container that is readily overturned which.means you are not providing water because as expected the bucket is immediateky overturned and empty)

      These pigs were provided a hosed down area to wallow in and a large tub for water that fits in a tire that they can not over turn. As it gets warmer it will need to be kept in the shade or alternative arrangements made to prevent the water from getting too hot.

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    4. I KNOW what pigs' needs are. I specifically asked about the water, because your text clarifies "tip proof water" and I did not see any such container in the picture.

      "What part of this blog makes you think I would deny pigs appropriate food, water, shelter, or necessary care?"

      Meredith, your entire tone has changed lately. You are sounding as defensive as Jenna sounds in her comments/answers. I'm not digging the angry/defensive/rude tone of the blog lately.

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    5. I'd imagine it's not fun being picked on for insignificant things...

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    6. Oh, I see what you did there Anon 5:29!!

      If you consider Jenna's mishandling of livestock and unethical business practices insignificant you've come to the wrong blog.

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    7. I said insignificant things.

      One may say M's friend is putting his sheep out on the grass WAY before it's ready to be grazed. Grazing that low is a great way to permanently injure the grass so it performs poorly, and a great way to transmit parasites when the animals are forced to graze so low. Is it the ideal way to graze animals? No. Is Jenna's goat penned in the ideal way with the thick pack built up? No. Is it harmful to the goat? Not really. If the bedding is dry on top, no harm. Many "real" farmers have a pen pack. If Jenna wants to waste hay, that's her deal.

      I'm all for calling Jenna out on blatant neglect or bad business practices. Calling her out for providing 2 5-gallon buckets of water, when you'd personally use a trough, for Merlin is just stupid. If she does chores 2x/day, that's 20 gallons of water he could drink. The average horse drinks 5-10 gallons per day.

      You know, those little things are insignificant. Talking about actual neglect is one thing, but picking on someone for every single little thing? What is the purpose of that?

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    8. How is not providing a horse water insignificant?

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    9. Trying out the larger livestock tractor for a few hours is not going to permanently injure the grass and it beats what they've been kept all winter when it comes to parasites!

      Btw...injure the grass is sometimes the point. The pigs are tilling the garden space and the tractor was on its maiden voyage for function. Beats the Round-upped grass I multched over today at a relatives house.

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    10. Trying out the larger livestock tractor for a few hours is not going to permanently injure the grass and it beats what they've been kept all winter when it comes to parasites!

      Btw...injure the grass is sometimes the point. The pigs are tilling the garden space and the tractor was on its maiden voyage for function. Beats the Round-upped grass I multched over today at a relatives house.

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    11. How is providing 10 gallons of water at a time not providing water? Do you know for a fact that the water is tipped over immediately every single day, twice a day? C'mon. You're grasping.

      If you're trying to kill the grass, go for it.

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    12. How is not providing a horse water insignificant?

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    13. How is she not providing water?

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    14. To put in a garden killing grass is the name of the game.

      After reading Jennas blog for 5-6 years I can confidently assess corrective measures are not her strong point.

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    15. Saying I gave my animal eater and they tipped it and are playing in the mud is not providing them water.

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    16. If I put my animals in a stall, I use a bucket for water. The bucket tipped over once. By your reasoning, I never provide them water. LOL.

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    17. Jennas animals got out of the fence once...by your reasoning they never got out again. See my logic?

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  2. Are you officially back in the pig business? Hope so!

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  3. This is Meredith's blog and she can call out anyone she wants. I think it's Jenna you are arguing with Meredith! Go away Troll. Remember she had TWO horses drinking from those two buckets for a couple of years and she is too lazy to carry water twice each time. Give me a break! No one waters horses with hardware store buckets unless it's VERY temporary...........especially if they have the money to buy fancy carts!!! Meredith, ignore her hon. It's like talking to a brick wall! I think she's mad because people here called her on her "bait and switch" pork deal!! Right they should have! The plan was stealing, pure and simple! What about all the CSA'ers who never got ANYTHING they paid for...........funny how she doesn't like it when SHE doesn't feel like she's getting what SHE paid for........ We'll never know how this plays out since once people are on to her, she goes underground.........like a slimy worm!

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    1. Please, I'm not Jenna. I'm a *reasonable* person, and the fact that you can't handle M getting a little criticism cracks me up. Do you only want "Meredith Fans" posting here? LOL. See what I did there?

      Meredith is the one who said they are hardware buckets. 5-gallon buckets are quite standard for livestock watering and feeding. Who needs to get a grip now?

      And Meredith, your logic isn't sound. Getting out of a fence multiple times is different. Has she said Merlin knocks his water over multiple times? Obviously he wouldn't be alive if she "doesn't provide water".

      Look, I get what you're saying. Jenna is far from perfect at animal husbandry, but not *everything* she does is animal abuse. She may not do things how you would do things, but you don't do things how I would do things, and I don't do things like my neighbor down the road does things.

      I still enjoy your blog and your point, I just hope you don't become so rabidly against Jenna that *your* logic and reason fly out the window.

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  4. Meredith you are not making any sense in your actions. You seem to criticize any farm, homestead, or farming practices that are not your own idea. Then you start posting pics like this making claims that it is the correct and proper way to do things which I don't believe it is ideal. Someone calls you out on it and you became defensive. Then you have "Meredith fans" rushing to your side. Also I recently checked out your Facebook and saw that you have "liked" many vegan anti-agriculture groups. Do you believe in farming or not? Do you just believe you are the only person that knows how to do anything? Those vegan groups are very harmful to small farmers and it makes me sick that you are posing as an individual that has a true belief in farming properly but are supporting such groups that their whole agenda is to end farming. You do not make sense with this behavior. Readers of this blog may want to take a deeper look into being supporters of you if you are against the very thing they believe in which is small farming.

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    1. I believe in this humane treatment of livestock...I also support vegans. It is not all or nothing. Because I support the humane treatment of livestock my intake is extremely limited. Vegan sites have great information and ideas on how to eat if you do not want to support a broken system. I just toured a CAFO that houses 4,800 pigs in 2 buildings and spoke at length to the owner. I worked at a "certified humane" farm that was anything but humane. I interviewed and almost moved to another farm that had severe issues with ethical consequences. I just interviewed at another farm with like minded people who indeed recognize there is a difference between raising pigs and actually practicing humane animal husbandry. I am very critical of a farms welfare practices and it is my right to have these opinions and disseminate them as I see fit.

      There are proper and improper ways to handle livestock. Would you comment on a dog trainers blog on how to correctly fit a collar or a horse trainers blog to correctly fit a bridle or bit?

      This is no different.

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    2. I believe in this humane treatment of livestock...I also support vegans. It is not all or nothing. Because I support the humane treatment of livestock my intake is extremely limited. Vegan sites have great information and ideas on how to eat if you do not want to support a broken system. I just toured a CAFO that houses 4,800 pigs in 2 buildings and spoke at length to the owner. I worked at a "certified humane" farm that was anything but humane. I interviewed and almost moved to another farm that had severe issues with ethical consequences. I just interviewed at another farm with like minded people who indeed recognize there is a difference between raising pigs and actually practicing humane animal husbandry. I am very critical of a farms welfare practices and it is my right to have these opinions and disseminate them as I see fit.

      There are proper and improper ways to handle livestock. Would you comment on a dog trainers blog on how to correctly fit a collar or a horse trainers blog to correctly fit a bridle or bit?

      This is no different.

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    3. I agree totally, Anon 10:39.

      "Would you comment on a dog trainers blog on how to correctly fit a collar or a horse trainers blog to correctly fit a bridle or bit?"

      Meredith, the moment you think you are above getting advice or questions from other people is the moment you think you know everything or are better than them. Haven't we called Jenna out for the EXACT same behavior??? And yes, I certainly would call a "pro" out if I thought they were doing something wrong, or if I had a question about their methods. And I'm sorry, but many people here have more ag experience than you do, and you are not the Queen of All Things Ag.

      And Michael Vick had a dog fighting ring. Illegal and unethical. Your arguments are ridiculous.

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    4. Commercial farms and certified humane farms are routinely in violation of state code...also illegal and unethical.

      I,would not be attending a trial of criminal animal cruelty on may 20th if I couldn't identify the difference.

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    5. I am not the queen of all things ag but I am the queen of this blog...that I started to discuss my thoughts and experiences.

      Your comments will always be welcome.

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    6. I am not the queen of all things ag but I am the queen of this blog...that I started to discuss my thoughts and experiences.

      Your comments will always be welcome.

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    7. Commercial farms and certified humane farms are routinely in violation of state code...also illegal and unethical.

      I,would not be attending a trial of criminal animal cruelty on may 20th if I couldn't identify the difference.

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  5. That brings up a good point. Just because someone is a "small farmer" does not mean their business should be supported. There are a few small farms unwilling to humanely care for their animals I would LOVE to be forced to shut down, as you know one of which I am a actively working towards bringing criminal charges against.

    Michael Vick ran a small "local" kennel. Should he have been supported? I don't care if someone is a small, medium, or large agricultural operation. If animal abuse is occurring they better make immediate corrective measures or face the legal consequences set in place specifically to protect animals.

    Unethical farming should be ended and if oversight isn't working and regulatory agencies are unable or unwilling to do their jobs agricultural needs a severe and immediate facelift. No animal should suffer in the pursuit of ending up on a plate.

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  6. "I am very critical of a farms welfare practices and it is my right to have these opinions and disseminate them as I see fit.

    There are proper and improper ways to handle livestock. Would you comment on a dog trainers blog on how to correctly fit a collar or a horse trainers blog to correctly fit a bridle or bit?

    This is no different. "

    By this statement are you trying to say you are a professional? So therefor your ideas are correct and people should not question you. You are behaving worse than what you have made claims of Jenna's behavior in the past.
    You are not a professional in the field of agriculture, you raised a few back yard animals that you happened to slaughter. The only real farm experience you seem to have is with a farm that has multiple certifications and supporters saying the total opposite of your claims. You claimed it as your dream job well after you first started working there and then started making claims of abuse after your were let go from that job. I have a hard time believing your story. What is the name of the next farm you went to and started making claims of abuse after they did not do exactly what you told them to do within a week? They may not be as unethical as you are claiming they may just not have bowed down to your beginner ideas.

    As for supporting vegan sites that is a bunch of bull in my opinion. I eat very little meat myself and I can look up vegetarian recipes without supporting causes that rant hatred towards farmers. They are anger bully groups that cause more harm than good. They make claims of loving all animals but absolutly rip farmers apart calling them "sadistic individuals that should suffer and die". True agriculture people and farmers would never support these groups in any way. Individuals posing in positions or maybe even trying to befriend groups like this to get financial support would.

    I used to enjoy this blog but you have dropped to a new low, I believe, just in your actions and behavior. You do need to get a grip and figure out where you actually stand in ag communities. I believe that if you ever interviewed at a farm of mine or anyone I know they would be ill advised to allow someone with your extreme self righteous views onto their property. You have not yet worked on a farm or been to a farm or commented on a blog that if the individual did not listen to you or let you go that you have not then claimed neglect or abuse. I am thinking this is possibly a Meredith problem and not an every other person issue.

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    1. You are ridiculous and clearly have not been following this blog as thoroughly as you think you have.

      Ayrshire has the support of vets that were never called and people that have never been on the farm.

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  7. I have a suggestion...EVERYBODY CALM DOWN! It's just a photo of a possible backyard piglet set-up. A quick description of what we're looking at might have been helpful for those of us not familiar with pig-raising, especially since not everything on Meredith's "Pigs 101" list is visible (at least to me) in the photo.

    Otherwise, chill, people, chill. Go step outside and take a deep breath of fresh spring air.

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  8. Not all vegans attack farmers, thanks very much. I don't eat meat and I don't attack my local farmers, either. If people want to eat meat, I just expect them to understand where it comes from and to research places where they can source humane meat. But I think you're confusing "vegan" with "PETA" and there are many vegans and vegetarians who would give their last head of kale to make PETA go away.

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  9. I don't have a problem with vegans or vegetarians, I have a problem with the organizations Meredith has publicly aligned herself with by including them in her "Likes" on face book. Would you "like" PETA and what they represent because if you look at the ones I looked at you will quickly see they are the same if not worse.

    For me I am calm just pointing out some things that have become more apparent in this blog. It does not appear to be for any educational useful purpose but for Meredith's own "pat me on the back" and agree with everything I have to say forum. That is my opinion and I am allowed to have it. I feel Meredith's response was very telling for her attitude towards others that disagree. Snippy and rude. I have paid close attention to this blog and Facebook, go fund me and her petition(because she has been vocal about these things), but I also did my own research as well, I tend not to believe what some people try to spoon feed me, I believe in finding out facts. This blog seems to be lacking.

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  10. I think I agree with Anon 12:44. Things are just strange on this blog since Meredith left the one farm last year. She talked for months with beautiful pictures of the farm she worked at about how great it was and her dream job. Then it went drastic in the opposite direction after she was let go from there. Now the posts are about her pictures of what she knows then a post criticizing Jenna, then the farm she worked on, then a new farm. Then she is a nanny but now no mention of that. Offers services as a consultant as a pig specialist. it is just a little bizarre.

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  11. Seriously - if you aren't happy reading this blog - then stop. It's that easy.

    I, myself, am enjoying her new posts showing different things going on in her life. Not only that, things like the nanny position might have been a temporary thing. We don't know - she never shared and I don't remember anyone asking.

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    1. The nanny gig was temporary and was only intended to fill a gap in employment. The family was planning on moving and an incident where one of the children injured my Chihuahua expedited the process of me leaving for PA (was in the works for several weeks). It was not my place to make the rules of the house and when my dogs safety became a factor I moved on. The nanny phase was a favor and a nudge to get me out of my comfort zone (slump) where I was and had been since October. Between the injury to my dog and a series of lies I did not feel like I could trust the children around my animals and my dogs are my first priority!

      For those that are curious, the child hit my Chihuahua with a remote controlled car and reaggravated an old injury. There is nothing I can do for him but "stall rest". Based on x-rays he broke his back right leg at some point and it wasn't set...leading to a lifelong wonky leg when it fused wrong.

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  12. the water was out of sight in this photo but the water tub/tire set up can be seen in other photos.

    this set up works well for me, but one must be mindful of the water temperature as temps increase.

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  13. Meredith is providing a a valuable service-- a place for people to let off steam.

    Where else would you get live coverage of the Great Pork Heist of '15? Where else would you find people that saw through the epitaph for the venerable Maude for what it was, the sad documentation of a down sheep left to die a lingering death? Her owner too busy pounding the keyboard blogging about HER experience to dispatch her.

    I like knowing that there is at least one corner of the internet that's not buying the BS of that kilt-wearing megalomaniac.

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