Anyone else want to cover this?
Susan, if you have been following that blog for as long as many have you would know that advice is not welcome, suggestions are not welcome, lessons learned are Not welcome etc.
Animal neglect, shitty infrastructure, and sob stories on a blog pay her bills. She doesn't want a smooth oiled machine.
Oh hell yes. I didn't do it publicly either, I emailed her privately. She is not what she claims to be. I believe she is sincere in admiring real homesteaders, but she really isn 't cut out to do it herself, which is fine. The problems started when she started lying to herself and her amen Charlies back her to the hilt.
ReplyDeleteShe's now posted 2x in the last day about extra pork shares. Not quarter or half shares that she legally has to sell by, but 23-30# shares and 50-60# shares. Didn't she learn a month ago that she can't sell by weight unless it's a USDA facility doing the butchering?
ReplyDeleteOn facebook?
DeleteWhere was this posted, that's crazy
DeleteYes, on Facebook.
DeleteDon't understand how she is getting away with it. I thought there were very strict laws regulating the sale of meat.
DeleteHi Susan - If you go back far enough into her blog, you will see that her readers did exactly as you suggested. She either gave a snarky reply or a reason she couldn't do what they suggested.
ReplyDeleteWhen people tried to caution her about "don't make the mistakes I made", or to give sensible advice, she called them Naysayers. In fact, one of her posts was titled, "Naysayers gonna naysay."
One time when she was in one of her many financial crises, she asked readers to give examples of how things changed for the better for them in an instant. Notice she said "instant". She didn't want to put the work into making a secure future. I privately emailed her and told her how I had gotten into trouble financially and how I worked my way out of debt. I told her it rarely happens instantly, and that she would benefit from getting a job, working off her debts and building an emergency fund. She didn't have to work forever, just until she was on better financial footing.
She emailed back and thanked me for the advice, then gave me about a dozen reasons why she couldn't get a job. She told me she wanted to make money in an "instant", like selling pig shares.
She really doesn't want to hear any advice. She just wants your money. At one point, so many people were telling her she needed to get a job that she shut off comments.
Then when she allowed comments again, she began deleting any that didn't agree with her.
We come here to vent and to warn other people that she isn't what she seems. She has taken money from people many times for product she never delivered. She cries poor and hardworking people donate money to her. If people want to give their hard earned dollars to her, then they should know who they are giving it to.
I can't tell you how many times I sent Jenna kind, non-bossy messages trying to help her. I gave suggestions, not mandates. I got snarky replies back with a fairly clear condescending tone that implied that since I was someone her mother's age I was probably totally out of touch with Jenna's generation and way of doing things. And so I ask, how many times is it just part of your learning curve when your flock of chickens is eviscerated, carried off, and maimed by nighttime predators because you refuse to give your flock a secure place to roost? The first? Second? Fifth? I would say you probably get one free pass and then you need to change the way you are doing things, but you know, I'm just an old woman talking so what do I know, haha. I was a teacher for many years and it just astonishes me how willfully Jenna does not WANT to learn from her readers -- she definitely wants to be the teacher ALL THE TIME and never the student. But the thing is, we're ALL learners. Or should be, anyway. She seems quite consciously committed to making the same mistakes over and over again because it's HER way, even when loss of life is the result. That makes me very sad and I no longer read her blog because it was just too damn frustrating.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I have really started to believe in these past few years is karma - what goes around comes around, do unto others..... Probably because when you get to a certain age the consequences of early actions start manifesting themselves big time. I probably had some of her same attitude towards my mother's generation. But time goes fast, and Jenna will wake up someday, like the rest of us, and realize that she is her mother's age! She's already changed her blog's "about me" from "enjoy the story of a young writer" to "a 32-year old". She's hurtling towards middle age, and there's a new crop of young ones on her heels. Pretty soon, one of them will say, "Braveheart - yuck, that's an old movie my mother likes".
DeleteSusan, I would recommend viewing these links. Many people have paid for undelivered goods, been misinformed, etc. If you have the interest and time to go back and look at some of the nasty responses to well-intentioned comments, you can also try googling "Cold Antler Farm" and "MeredithA" or "Cold Antler Farm" and "ladyfarrier", a variety of things will come up. You can read and decide for yourself.
ReplyDeletehttp://kelpiematrix.blogspot.com/2013/01/no-more-advice-please.html
http://coldantlersham.blogspot.com/
http://getoffmyinternets.net/forums/design-blogs/cold-antler-farm/
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/793048623
http://artists-beware.dreamwidth.org/107253.html?thread=3503093&style=light#cmt3503093
I have my own reasons I disagree with her. I hold a captive wildlife license and some aspects of her falconry practices make me sick (RAPTORS DO NOT BELONG IN YOUR LIVING ROOM.) My opinions have already been expressed on other threads, and I no longer comment on her blog.
~A
Susan - Most of us here were fans of hers at one time, but became disillusioned. The more we read her blog, the more we learned her true nature.
ReplyDeleteTake her mortgage for instance. She is chronically late and has faced foreclosure. She states that her farm is the most important thing to her and she will do anything to keep it. But will she get a job to at least cover the mortgage? No. When she gets too far behind, she will post a sob story and money comes flowing in.
Last year she had a Kickstarter fund because she was facing foreclosure and got $15,000 to save the farm. Don't you know that a month or two later, she was whining about being late on her mortgage again.
Most sensible people, and I'm sure that includes you, would secure a predictable income stream to cover this monthly expense. But not her. Every few months we hear about her late mortgage payment. She also whines about not having enough money for dental bills, vet bills, truck repairs...All things that most of us deal with.
Either she hasn't figured it out yet or she has figured out that if she gets enough people to feel sorry for her, they will send money so she doesn't have to go out and earn it.
I am grateful that this blog exists. A couple years ago I read Jenna's books Barnheart and Made from Scratch, and I enjoyed the spunky can-do tone. I looked up her blog to find the epilogue, so to speak. I was shocked by the melodramatic vacillations between rhapsodic odes to her farm and the dark financial crises that are a constant undercurrent. Seeing her called to task by reasonable seasoned veterans on this blog really helped me get out of the idle Homesteading 101/Farm Curious phase of my life. I switched to reading Wendell Berry for pleasure, bought a Gail Damerow book for taking care of my backyard chickens, and just got the hell on with it.
ReplyDeleteI read those same two books! I loved Barnheart and felt somewhat inspired by it. But by the time I got around to discovering and reading her blog, I realized the time gap and all that had happened in it...and how much of Jenna's true colors had shown. It made me a little embarrassed and disappointed that I thought she could be an inspiration for the direction I wanted to head in life. But overall, I think I'm glad I learned what she's really like than continue to blindly follow. I've found a lot of great resources through THIS blog, ones that I certainly trust based on the other readers/commenters and their collective experiences.
DeleteYou know, reading these responses makes me wish there were some kind of resource made up of knowledgeable, caring people, who could answer questions about homesteading, basic finances, etc. People like Redhorse and Hotflashhomestead, who have experience and are willing to share. I know there's Ask Jackie Clay but you have to subscribe to the magazine to ask a question. I am really grateful to Meredith for hosting this site, and for showing examples of good animal husbandry. I like reading other homesteading blogs like Ben Hewitt. And for a long time I liked Jenna's blog, but as others have said here, she really showed her true colors, and I moved on.
ReplyDeletewww.homestead.org
DeleteLots of great advice.
Check out suburbanhomesteading.com
DeleteGood posts with useful advice based on years of experience
~j
I feel I can answer this commenter as well. I found Jenna's blog through another really rich and informational site called 'Down to Earth' - does anyone remember it? The blogger there used to comment frequently on Jenna's blog, but also quit. I myself have offered Jenna advice and my past mistakes. These comments were never posted on her site and never answered. She does what she wants and the newer readers don't yet see the pattern, so they are eager to defend someone they think has 'made a mistake' without knowing there have been years, and year, and years of 'mistakes.' One after another. So, for us old readers, we see the pattern and come to Meredith's blog to find real information.
ReplyDeleteI feel like this blog is more awareness than information. I swear blogger has eaten all of my best information focused posts...the well thought out full of facts posts. I can retype a quick rant but can't muster retyping what I really want to be clear, concise, and correct.
ReplyDeleteBut I know others have posted valuable information, have good info in their own blogs, and have shared great writers and links to good resources. Thank you all for playing such an important role!
DeleteBut I know others have posted valuable information, have good info in their own blogs, and have shared great writers and links to good resources. Thank you all for playing such an important role!
DeleteI feel like this blog is more awareness than information. I swear blogger has eaten all of my best information focused posts...the well thought out full of facts posts. I can retype a quick rant but can't muster retyping what I really want to be clear, concise, and correct.
ReplyDeleteThis is Jenna's blog in a nutshell:
ReplyDelete"Look at me! I'm so quirky! Come to my fiddle workshop, I just mastered Ida Red so I'm totally qualified to teach you! Oh, no the sheep's down! Look at me! Crap, my shitty old truck doesn't have a sticker! Send funds! Help save the farm! Oh, no! Now my tooth hurts! Root canal! No money! What to do?! I think a lamb just died! I've never heard of lambing jugs but let me tell you about the worshops I'll be having! Look at me! Have you ever seen anyone as special as me?! I went to Stewart's and saw a Poodle! I feel so insecure, I think I'll write a totally speculative blog post about their life! I'm so much better than Poodles! Gibson's hurt! Send funds! Good, now I can afford a new electric fencer! I'm so badass! Did I mention I'm not a cat person?"
Lol! You nailed it!
DeleteTHAT IS EXCELLENT!!!
DeleteWhere is JW posting pork shares for sale, something is rotten in Denmark, she sold all those shares to other folks, sounds like a pyramid scheme to me
ReplyDeleteThey're new pigs.
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I have shares of pork to sell for 2 extra pigs coming in the next few weeks. The shares are sized at either 25-30lbs or 50-60lbs. If you are interested please message me! Meat is picked up in Fall/early winter.
I thought you could sell wholes, halves, quarters but not by the pound?
DeleteAlthough they are new pigs, she appears to be selling by the pound rather than by the whole, half or quarter pig. This violates USDA regulations.
ReplyDeleteUnless she has them slaughtered and processed at an USDA facility...
DeleteThere's some back and forth on FB about it. I'll post it here seeing as she'll probably delete it by morning since it doesn't jive with her interpretation.
DeleteKristin Tomic Are you getting them butchered at a USDA facility? I was under the impression you can only sell percentage shares of a live animal if you're butchering on site. I ask because we're considering our options for our stock.
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Jenna Woginrich Good question Kristin. Each state has different laws on this topic. To sell pork at a market (selling meat, not shares) you need to sell it through a USDA facility. But if a few people want to go in on shares of an animal (based on weight or percentage) you can go about it differently. I raise so few pigs a year this is the way I do it.
Jenna Woginrich http://smallfarms.cornell.edu/.../slaughtering-cutting.../
Slaughtering, Cutting, and Processing | Cornell Small Farms Program
There is a very important exemption from federal...
SMALLFARMS.CORNELL.EDU
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Jenna Woginrich There is a very important exemption from federal inspection for livestock producers that market freezer lamb, beef, goat, and hog. This is the “custom exemption” which allows the owner of an animal to slaughter the animal himself/herself or deliver it to a custom exempt slaughterhouse for slaughter and processing. The meat and byproducts cannot be sold. Instead, their use is limited to the owner’s household and nonpaying guests and employees.
In New York, it is assumed that a person owns an animal when they purchase it. Thus, a customer can purchase a lamb, goat, steer or hog from a farm or live animal market, take ownership of it, and either slaughter it themselves or arrange for slaughter and processing through a custom slaughterhouse.
The customer does not have to pick out the animal himself or herself. Instead, the farmer or custom slaughterhouse operator may select an animal for them after receiving the customer’s order for a live animal or portion thereof. The farm owner or custom slaughterhouse operator may act as an agent for the owner and arrange transportation of the animals or carcasses.
“Freezer” animals may be priced for sale by the head or by the pound. Halves or quarters may be priced by the pound, although their actual weight will not be determined until the animal is slaughtered. The weight of the animal or a portion thereof, must be determined on a certified scale if the animal is sold by weight. If a certified scale is not available, then the animal can only be sold by the head or portion.
Jenn Watts I don't think you are interpreting the law correctly. Typically the farmer will say that they finish out hogs at a certain weight average... say 200-225lbs hanging weight. You can sell a share at a single price.... say $100 for 1/4 or $200 for a 1/2 and the share owner gets 1/4 or 1/2 the animal, no matter how big you the farmer allow it to grow 200lbs or 400lbs.. for $100 or $200. There is no limit on how much meat the share owner gets from the animal other than the finished size of the animal. The farmer is responsible for maintaining the animal's weight and getting it slaughtered in a timely manner to keep it within the weight range that the farmer had suggested as an average and what the consumer is expecting. The same goes for pricing by the pound. Say you want $2 a pound. Typically the farmer takes a share deposit of 50-75% of the share cost for per pound finished weight his hogs normally hang at... You raise 200lb hanging weight hogs... someone wants 1/2 a share, 100lbs. .. You get a 50% deposit of $100.. and the share owner pays the remaining balance when the meat is processed.. so if their 1/2 share ended up being 110lbs... they would pay you $120 on pick up to settle up the 2nd 50% plus the 10lbs of extra in the share. Again the farmer is required to have a pretty good idea of how long to keep feeding before sending to slaughter to meet that average weight goal.. but all the meat in that 1/4 or 1/2 share is still that of the share owner. In the per pound pricing the consumer does take on some risk that they might end up with way more meat, and therefore a much higher bill than anticipated. But again there is no limit on how much meat is in a share other than the size of the animal when it is slaughtered.
DeleteThis is your key piece of that law "Halves or quarters may be priced by the pound, although their actual weight will not be determined until the animal is slaughtered." You cannot limit the share size when selling a share.... the scale and your farming practices do that.
After looking at the Small Farms section of the Cornell website, I think that part of the answer depends on the definition of "freezer meat". It says, "Farmers can advertise that they offer freezer meat for sale, but must have an agreement that shows that the animal or the portions were sold in advance of slaughter. “Freezer meat” is not the same as USDA inspected retail cuts, and individual “freezer meat” cuts cannot be sold by the farmer." You can e-mail or call the person at Cornell who wrote the article - her name and contact information appears at the end. Someone who has time should do this and describe Cold Antler Farm's operation.
DeleteSince Jenna really did post the link to the Cornell site on FB, then she DOES read this blog! I was the one who originally posted the Cornell site in the comments of Meredith's April 10th post "Pigs" (Anon April 14 7:24). Jenna never talked about the Cornell site before then; nobody talked about the Cornell site before then! LOL!
ReplyDeleteI want to hear back from Susan! Did she read the comments and does she feel her questions were answered?
ReplyDeleteEver notice this: when no one is talking about Jenna, someone comes here and agitates the readers? This one had to go back to a two year old post. So they must enjoy it. I'm too busy trying to get my own garden in these days, and find time to ride my horses and clean the barn and tack. Sadly, I've gotten too old to go out and work 16 hours a day until it's done.
ReplyDeleteRedhorse, same here. I have my flock of sheep who have to be moved almost daily as grass is slow coming in. Then there is the barn clean out and then all the home/yard stuff- oh and dog training. This time of year, it's go go go.
ReplyDeleteShe's interpreting the law as she sees fit-and if she gets reported, she's nailed. I hope she does- for all of us who are going by the law.
ReplyDeleteIn Jenna's Swap Day post, she says, "I did save myself from a long haul of bottle feeding another baby", and she just posted her first cheese of the year. Why can't Ida the goat nurse the new kid? Is she using Ida's milk to make cheese for herself? I don't understand her statement. Was there something I missed? I don't FB.
ReplyDeleteHomemade cheese and imported tomatoes. What ever happened to her preaching about eating local, peak oil and bashing big ag. A person could get whiplash reading her posts with all the flip flopping.
DeleteShe pulls the kids immediately (they do not nurse off the mother more than once, if that) and then uses the milk to make things like cheese, you know, to show that she can.
ReplyDeleteIt seems easier on the kid AND the dam if the kid is pulled immediately and doesn't nurse. They don't get the chance to bond to each other, so there isn't much fuss over being separated. The kids bond with the human care giver, and so do the does. I let my doe lick my hands after she kids, and then I milk her, so she associates ME as her kid. I'm her kid, and the kids' mom. Weird, but it works well. Easier on everyone to separate right away.
DeleteAs for CAE, it is transferred through milk so letting the kid nurse even 1 time can spread it. Feeding pasteurized colostrum, colostrum from negative does, or colostrum from a disease tested cow or ewe will work well.
I don't blame her for selling the kid at all. I'd do it to. Bottling is one of my least favorite chores, and bucklings are pretty useless on a dairy farm. You can't save them all, and raising a dairy goat wether for meat is not very profitable. Let him be someone's pet.
Isn't that bad for them (no colostrum)?
ReplyDeleteShe said she milked out the colostrum for the baby at first. It's very common practice to not keep dairy kids on their moms. Partially to prevent the spread of a goat virus CAE, that pretty much all seem to have or can get easily. So, yeah, she sold the buckling, right away. Probably saved it's life don't ya think? I like to milk my does for a good 24 hours for the babies and then start with milk replacer. But some people don't even do that, because the does milk can infect the kids. It's not a very pleasant part of the whole milk goat thing...
ReplyDeleteDo you think Jenna even knows what CAE is? If she does, I will go clogs up.
ReplyDeleteclogs up!? is that tickled pink in dutch?
Deletelove that.
Thanks for the explanation on goat milk. I don't have have goats, so I appreciate the information.
ReplyDeleteI'm the one who asked Jenna about potentially rehoming her rabbit--if the personality is sweet and tough, she could be a great house bunny. I don't see the need to kill an animal if you don't have to, personally (and Jenna doesn't subsist off her meat or farm it as a livelihood, whatever she claims). Her response was short and rude. I'm done.
ReplyDeleteHere's the kind of thoughtful response I appreciate from a different homesteader. https://fiascofarm.com/Humane-ifesto.htm
Again, I have no issue with people who eat meat. I don't; that's my choice. I do take serious issue with people who treat their animals like commodities or who show disrespect for their lives. And as far as I'm concerned, looking at the photo of her rabbit's outdoor "pen" (bullshit) and her comments about other animals, I consider Jenna the latter.
Oh, just be grateful she doesn't post pictures of herself down on all fours killing the rabbit with her teeth like the feral, cavewoman she is.
DeleteOk, so people get upset when she's not doing sustainable things, but then they get upset when she DOES try to do something homesteady and sustainable, like actually EAT her meat rabbits? Make up your minds!
DeleteThe way she treats her animals all I'm upset about, kthx. I have no idea what you're referring to otherwise.
DeleteAnon 1:52, I'm referring to this:
Delete"I don't see the need to kill an animal if you don't have to, personally (and Jenna doesn't subsist off her meat or farm it as a livelihood, whatever she claims)."
Did you write that? If not, I wasn't talking to you. If you *did* write that, then you can see my point of why that's a hypocritical argument.
kthx,
Anon 10:20
Relax everybody, Jenna's besty says "Jenna treats all her animals with great care and in return those animals sustain Jenna.".
ReplyDeleteHahahahahahhahahaha!!!!
Yeah, neither statement seems true.
DeleteI am actually shocked at how little she uses her property..I live in an urban neighborhood and I grow more veggies in my container garden than she does. She doesn't use anything to her benefit on her property. I am making our bread and everything else from scratch and she is buying wood from the store..It's honestly a head scratching moment.
ReplyDeleteI don't see her as a farmer at all. You can tell she thinks super highly of herself but honestly..she blows in all forms when it comes to walking the walk. She picks all these things to start and then you never see the end product of hardly anything. I understand that some things are a learning situation and we all fail from time to time..but never in life would I EVER ask the internet to pay my bills or attack people when they are giving much needed advice.
She's not a homesteader. She's not a farmer. She's not even nice most of the time and her knowledge lacks in all areas.
I have been reading her blog for years and never jumped on the pay me train and I have since found other blogs worth the read..The Elliot Homestead is a good one. I want to learn things like cheese making, how to make this or that from scratch, learning to grow all my veggies in a container and above all else..living within my means and never begging for someone else to pay for my mistakes.
It's just gross.
Calling herself a farmer is so insulting to actual farmers and makes her look like a total asshole. She has a few backyard animals and is lucky to grow a bit of kale and maybe some potatoes--- she's not in the same league.
DeleteSure, she can claim to be whatever she wants. She can also don a tutu, lumber on stage and call herself a ballerina but that doesn't make it true.
Couldn't agree more!
Deletehobby farm
ReplyDeleteOh my gosh... Did you see the chicken tractor with all the chicks in it that she plans to out up on the sheep hill far away from the house? With chicken wire on it???? Oh my god. Another massacre is in the makes. I can't believe she doesn't know that chicken wire is so flimsy and is just for keeping chickens in, not predators out. A coon can rip through that in no time. Goodbye flock of chicks. I can't believe she is considered an expert in homesteading or small farming. She's worse than a newbie!
ReplyDeleteHere's a little information about chicken wire and coons...
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/39419/truth-about-raccoons-chicken-wire-please-add-your-experience
I was thinking exactly the same. I had a raccoon rip through a chicken wire covered window in my coop. Killed my gorgeous Barred Rock rooster, among others. I didn't need to learn that lesson more than once.
Delete~k~
And she just got those chicks, they should be under a heat lamp and in a secure location for several more weeks. She freaking wrote a book about chicks, WTF....
ReplyDeleteI noticed immediately the same issues with the chicken wire and tiny chicks with no heat lamp. If something doesn't get them, they'll be chick-sicles after a night out in the open in that thing.
ReplyDeletePig shenanigans continue! Was it not less than a month ago she claimed to have grown such large pigs there would be 200 EXTRA pounds of meat?
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Heather Nadelman Jenna, the above is entirely correct--you CAN'T offer your pigs for sale as a weight range. You can only sell as whole, half, or quarter-animal shares. I happened to confirm this with a friend who is a NY state USDA employee. To do otherwise is to break the law, plain and simple.
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Jenna Woginrich The weight range I gave is the expected 1/4 or 1/2 share weight. I have never had a pig, even my largest pigs, offer larger shares than that. the sellers know those numbers are based on past owner shares.
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Heather Nadelman USDA rules often make my head spin with their complexity. My USDA friend, on the other hand, seems to delight in them. But the only-owning-the-animal exemption, at least, makes sense to me.
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Justine Capraro Oh man I get why we have lae but god this is beating a dead horse (sorry for the figure of speech) the law is there to protect people from getting stiffed Jenna is an honest lady from what we can all decipher! Let it go! Sorry for the rant but im so tired of the oposition against small farmers!
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Jenna is an honest lady? Really? Ask some of her previous customers.
DeleteJenna April 13: Well! I thought I had a little extra pork to sell, right? Well I just heard back from the butcher and I found out what I had estimated is MORE than doubled! So if you are still looking for a share? Let me know! I have an extra 200 pounds of pork to move! and that's WITH keeping 100 for the farm!!! Nearly a half ton was raised this winter! And Greg said they were nice pigs and I did a good job! I blushed.
ReplyDeleteJenna May 10: The weight range I gave is the expected 1/4 or 1/2 share weight. I have never had a pig, even my largest pigs, offer larger shares than that. the sellers know those numbers are based on past owner shares.
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Something stinks in Jackson.
Seriously? She changed her story after a few weeks? First she's blushing because her pigs were so large and now she's saying she's never had any that large?
DeleteHow does she get away with it? I wonder if her shareholders got their full percentage? I doubt it.
Is the USDA investigating her? The woman can't keep her own story straight. I do not trust her.
DeleteHoly crap, she EXPECTS to lose half of the chicks she raises? Dear lord, the woman has no business raising animals if she flat out doesn't give a crap if she loses half. That's RIDICULOUS.
ReplyDeleteI just read that - my first year raising meat birds I lost nearly 30% to predators and the elements. I felt like an utter failure. I learned lessons, changed my processes, and have never had that issue again. Not that there weren't issues, but I never simply lost a bird to carelessness again. How many times does she have to have her flock completely decimated?!
ReplyDeleteNow she's going to be moving chicken tractors across those battered pastures? There's going to be 4x8 patches of scorched earth everywhere. By the time summer's done the sheep, chickens and the horse will have obliterated it--- it will be a dirt lot. The chickens will not fare well in heavy rain, either. I'm sure that's exactly how Joel Salatin does it.....
ReplyDeleteNo worries, though, cause chickens are cheap!
Jenna: "The tractors are not fortresses and I do expect to lose some to predators, which is why I raise double what I plan on harvesting. Chicks are pretty cheap and I would rather spend another fifty bucks on double the little ones and not worry about such possibilities."
So, to translate: inexpensive lives not worth the trouble of protecting.
She disgusts me. Jenna woginrich is heartless and has no place (attempting to) raising animals or (irresponsibly) owning pets.
DeleteShe disgusts me. Jenna woginrich is heartless and has no place (attempting to) raising animals or (irresponsibly) owning pets.
DeleteOMG, 50% loss is acceptable? Yet $50 in decent hardware cloth (wire) and a little more effort would make those tractors more safe. She is such a whack job. Please, please someone stop the suffering of animals at Cold Antler Farm... er... death camp?
ReplyDeleteThis is Jenna we're talking about--- 50% loss is probably what she's shooting for.
DeleteHoly shit. Buying extra "cheap" chicks and setting them up knowing they will likely be eaten by predators constitutes as willful negligence and really terrible husbandry. I'm blown away.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine the rubes signing up for DepravedHeart's chicken CSA?
ReplyDeleteI'm certain there are other pasture based chickens for sale in Washington Co. Why not spend your money and support farmers that do things well?
I bet the predators spend their summer vacation camped outside Jenna's house..plenty of food to go around!
ReplyDeleteI'm dismayed at her statements. I've raised 25 meat birds a year, for years and have only lost a total of 6 in all that time. They stay in the garage until fully feathered out then Moved to the barn with an outside run. Each night they are locked in the barn for safety. My god this is not rocket science. This is not hard. Is she that effing lazy, that callous that she has no problem going into a project expecting a 50% loss. If all farmers were like that the world would be starving cause the farmers would go broke.
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Shocking, sickening and as Jenn pointed out, financially absurd. And look at her response to the one critical comment, by Karen. Pretty egotistical.
ReplyDeleteI just read it. Karen was commenting on what Jenna said about expecting to lose 50% of her flock and the Shakers, etc. Jenna's response, as usual, was pretty snarky. I don't think Karen came across as harsh at all. She was being practical and truthful.
DeleteKaren's comments were respectful. What Jenna didn't like was that they differed from her own and had the added bonus of being correct.
DeleteLoved her last line "I'd say the opportunity to manipulate things in our favour has increased greatly since the days of the Shakers."
Karen also mentioned something that made a lot of sense. It seems a waste of time and money to feed chicks you know you are going to lose. Wouldn't it be a better use of time and money to make a secure enclosure for the chicks up front so you wouldn't have to deal with predation later?
DeleteMy thought was if she couldn't make the damn thing by herself how is she going to move it?
ReplyDeleteAnd, all that in and out of the brooder can't be good for them. Simpler to just leave them in the brooder till they can handle being outside.
So how does this chicken CSA work? Does she sell shares of chickens and collect the money up front? What happens if more chickens die than she expects? Are those shareholders then sh!t out of luck?
ReplyDeleteYES, they are shit out of luck, because in Jenna's world CSA's come with risks that are higher than the normal farmer.
DeleteWHY????? would anyone give her money for chickens when she is proud to announce she expects a 50% loss. Simple math baby...1/2 the share buyers are gonna get screwed!!!
What a way to run a business, I'm mean farm. Ooops no, hobby. Nope not that either. Just a damn cluster fuck.
Jenn
Too funny. Jenna writes "have a little faith in me." Why should we? She already said she planned on losing 50% of the birds. She obviously can't raise them properly if that's what she expects to lose. And her non-animal raising followers probably think that's normal....
ReplyDeleteI've lost track of all the animals that have died due to her negligence and/or ignorance.
DeleteFaith? Ummmmm.........no.
No, no, no... you have it wrong. She got the extra 50 birds because that way IF they manage to survive, she can sell more "shares" and piss off those that bought a share. Isn't that how she works?
ReplyDeleteI read many blogs and am always amazed at how rude Jenna is to her commenters when they ask questions or have a critique. Her behavior is gross.
ReplyDeleteSusan, Do you see now? I am not a farmer and do not know what an acceptable predation rate is, but I am learning from a lot of people who do raise chickens that a 50% rate is very high. When someone pointed out that fact on her blog, she gave a snarky response.
ReplyDeleteShe does not want to learn from experienced people. There are many experienced people who are willing to share their methods of keeping chickens safe, but she would rather do it her way even if she loses half her chickens. Chicks are cheap you know.
In addition to being cruel, it is also a complete waste of money on good feed AND the time spent caring for that many birds (more birds = the more the tractor has to be moved). If they live a month, there's been a considerable investment in feed already. Why wouldn't you protect that monetary investment if nothing else? Especially if money is as tight as I remember her saying it was. Isn't the wolf still at the door? Why throw money away by letting 50 percent of your crop -- any crop -- get decimated through wholly preventable circumstances? 50 chickens could feed you (or make you money) a lot better than 25 could.
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Predators or not, those little chicken tractors are going to blow right out of her yard with the first gusty wind that comes along. Leaving the chicks completely exposed to the elements.
ReplyDeleteJenna, get out a calculator. Chicks are not inexpensive. The cheapest ones I can find, locally or mail-order, run a minimum of $3 per bird. The rare fancy breeds you like to get cost far more. Plan on losing 25? That's at least $75. For $75, a sturdier predator-proof chicken tractor could be built, guaranteeing a much smaller loss over the course of many years.
And most of all, Jenna? It's not just about the money. Those little "cheap chicks" are actual lives that you are responsible for as soon as you bring them home.
Just don't get this woman. She chews an entire pack of sugarless gum in less than two hours gets horrible diarrhea and then sets about warning her FB friends.
ReplyDeleteWhy the hell would you chew the whole pack of gum in one go? She's like a two year old who doesn't understand how things work....
I followed her blog and was friends with her on facebook..10 seconds ago I deleted her blog and her friendship. I don't have time for a person like that or her empty lessons she pretends we all need to learn or her unsafe measures she spews left and right. Every animal deserves a decent home,security, and food to eat. The minute you decide they aren't worth that extra step is the instant you show who you really are.
ReplyDeleteShe honestly makes my stomach turn and honestly can not believe some sort of an official hasn't caught on to what she's doing. I'd never buy anything from her. She's to untrustworthy.
I'm currently wondering if she's purposely being malicious, if there's some kind of illness going on, or what. I'm legitimately concerned for the safety of people that deal with her frequently and in person.
ReplyDeleteIt is also possible that she's just really really lazy. But, given the minimal amount of contact that I've had with her that wasn't on her blog, I'm actually leaning toward malicious intent behind all her actions. Without talking with her in person, however, I can't tell.
I...I just have no idea what to do besides occasionally check in on the train wreck and wait for the messy conclusion.
She seems so uncaring which to me goes against what a farmer is all about. The ones I know or have come in contact with are all going that extra mile for every animal on their farm and making sure each and every one has what it needs to thrive. She on the other hand collects these animals and sees what she can do with it. 10 birds die? no biggie. I can just pick up more and feel extra special about myself and telling others how it just happens. Sure..it might happen to us once but unlike her, we learn from the mistakes we made and fix the problem. Her treatment of chickens is scary and I agree..she's malicious.
ReplyDeleteThere is something creepy in the way she regards the lives of animals. This is the second time in recent memory that she wrote she "smiled" when she shot an animal. I have no problem with people hunting, but there is just something about her descriptions that creep me out.
ReplyDeleteThe dismissive attitude towards the chicks bothered me too. They're cheap, so what if they die. Creepy.
I once had someone excuse his abusive behavior toward a horse that way. It was a young, green horse and his friend had just ridden the piss out of it on a local trail. It stumbled and went down and he told his friend they were going to "beat the shit out of it." I was there with two young grandchildren and our horses, and I told him he wasn't going to do that. He responded that he only paid $200 for the horse, so it didn't matter. I think I convinced him that I was more than willing to use my whip on him, and he started to say abusive things about women. Someone nearby must have called the police, because a Sherrif's car pulled in and they talked to the two guys, who I think were also drunk, and alcohol isn't allowed at that park. I have a lot of friends who think I should have stayed out of it, but I couldn't, and there was no way I would have allowed two kids to watch an out of breath sweaty horse get beaten by two drunks.
DeleteAnyway, that might be irrelevant, but creeps are creeps, and people who use monetary value as an excuse to abuse or neglect their animals are the lowest form of creep in my book.
I also think JW is very lazy, and that she has a gaming addiction. I don't think anyone will get through to her. She'll have to learn everything the hard way.
She does seem to have a problem with escapism, but I disagree on her ability to learn things. It seems that, as long as it serves her ego and/or wallet, she learns very quickly. But, when it comes to empathy or compassion towards her animals, she's disinclined to learn anything at all.
DeleteI kinda wish her family would step in and put their collective foot down regarding her behavior.
http://www.michaelsamsel.com/Content/Difficult_Styles/narcissism_interpersonal.html
ReplyDeleteShe is the definition of narcissism.
Some hapless dimwit had the inspired notion to ask Jenna the Pig Whisperer how much space she gives her pigs. Her reply:
ReplyDeleteJenna Woginrich that's 15 x 10 feet or so? I would have to measure my barn, might be a little less 12x12 - but I am certain the outside pigs get double that a pig. But my indoorpigs are raised in winter and all they want to do is eat and sleep!
Note to Jenna: If you are going to routinely lie about how you raise animals don't write a blog which disproves what you say.
We all know where the winter pigs were raised-- in the "pigoda", that plywood scrap heap which she alluded to being in disrepair.
Actually, they were raised for most of the winter in a pile of straw outdoors.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I know, but she was claiming that the pigoda was their shelter. I saw pics of it when it was newly built and it would keep rain and sun off their backs but little else. Totally inadequate for winter shelter. She wasted a lot of money on feed that went to simply keep them warm-- the joke was on her.
DeleteI will say, though, at least she's learning something.... that at least half of her chickens don't make it to butchering. And... in this rare case, they may be safer outdoors in a crappy chicken tractor than in her own house where an entire flock was predated and removed without her even hearing anything!
ReplyDeleteCAN she do anything by herself? Not even build a chicken tractor over the course of years? It's unbelievable that she bills herself a chicken expert.
Do you think she was raised to care for animals so indifferently? .
But, not to worry, I'm sure when the survivors get harvested and sold, we're sure to hear that the butcher and buyers raved about how Jenna 's Cold Antler Farm chickens were the biggest, bestest they've ever seen.
Dev
Buying 50 chicks and cavalierly saying that she expects to lose 25 of them to predators because they are inadequately housed says everything about her attitude towards animals. She does not respect them as individual, living beings. Instead, like a corporation running a factory farm, she apparently sees them as a commodity, not unlike a seed or a grain of rice. That's not a model for anyone who aspires to be a homesteader to follow. And as several people here pointed out, it's financially irresponsible. Why would you spend an extra $50 up front, plus the cost of feed, if you know you won't raise those animals to adulthood? Isn't the idea of homesteading NOT to waste money? Her approach suggests that the chickens are just props for her blog entries. If you lose half, especially over a period of several days, you generate a lot of drama and people will continue to read. However, they won't learn much about how to raise chickens!
ReplyDeleteI think you are absolutely correct. What I've always hated most about factory farms is 1) the confined living spaces, and 2) the treatment of the animals. Yet a factory-farmed meat bird or pig undoubtedly has access to someplace out of the cold in inclement weather and also a safe place where they will not be eaten alive by a predator. I DO know homesteaders who manage to really give their animals a good quality of life before slaughter, but it takes time, energy and in most cases willingness to spend money on them to assure that happens. And of course a willingness and a desire to make it happen for the animals' sake. I've never seen anyone buy animals knowing that due to their unsafe shelter and care 50 percent will be dead by harvest time. That seems very skewed ethically and a bad investment to boot.
DeleteSo, she "just happens" to mention on FB that she's still saving up for a root canal (had to move her appointment three times because of cost) and someone actually requests her address so they might send her a donation.
ReplyDeleteWho the hell looks at a willfully underemployed adult playing make believe and feels moved to send them money? Curiosity got the best of me and I hovered on his profile pic-- the dude had a huge gap where his own tooth should have been!
She's tapped into some seriously undiscerning readers.
That's priceless. I'll probably chuckle all day.
DeleteClick on the names of her commentors - many times you can get connected to their blogs. "Undiscerning" is an understatement for some of them.
DeleteIt's just as Becca stated. She learns when it benefits her. In this case she has learned how to get people to feel sorry for her and send her money. And now it seems she can even get people who are hard up themselves to pony up. How can she live with herself? She is educated and able bodied. Why aren't her readers telling her to get a job? Unless some are and she is deleting their comments.
DeleteTo reiterate another poster from a few threads back, "I can't afford this girl!"
DeleteOh, yeah, she's no dummy when it comes to fleecing her flock.
DeleteIronically, she just posted a chicken workshop.
ReplyDeleteIrony is a CAF specialty.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't pay that huckster $100 to learn how to feed raccoons. Nowhere in her workshop description is there any mention of dealing with predation. Oh, yeah, you're supposed to start with double the chicks. I can just hear her waxing poetic about the Shaker way now.
Also, there are no GMO chickens so get your facts straight Col.Sanders.
I don't know anything about raising chickens. What is a chicken tractor for? My guess is that it can be moved around, but what is the purpose and benefit? Does it replace a coop or are both used?
ReplyDeleteThis is serious folks-- she's accepting offers on her wool hat to raise the dough for this root canal. Her mother's begging her not to sell it. Yikes!
ReplyDeleteWe all know how this turns out: Oh, no Jenna! Not your wool hat! Let me send you some money, I don't mind eating Ramen Noodles all week for you!
What's next? Her undies? How pathetic.
^^^ Anon 8:43 where is she posting that? I don't see it. Just more ads for 'Last Minute Deals' ---- which always makes me wonder WHY anyone would ever pay full price for her events (???)
ReplyDeleteIt was on FB but she deleted it.
DeleteShe seems to do that a lot. Reality can be harsh, or maybe she sees just how ridiculous those posts make her look.
DeleteJenn
She must realize how stupid she looks and then deletes the posts. Her family has GOT to be embarrassed! Did you also notice how fast she was to say she has bad credit and can't afford Care Credit for medical (dental) expenses? ANYONE can get that - she just wants strangers on the internet to pay her bills!!!
DeleteOffering her hat up for sale was really low and clearly an attempt to get people to open their wallets out of pity. She even mentioned it wasn't worth much but was "beloved". Shameless. Her mother is probably mortified.
DeleteThat was also my understanding of Care Credit-- anyone could get it. But then she'd be on the hook for the bill--- not Jenna's MO.
I can't imagine buying anything she has worn, especially when she went to great lengths to describe how she goes about unwashed, in her post, "I Stink". Just gross.
ReplyDeleteI would buy that hat just to burn it. Gross!
ReplyDeleteJenna May 11: "If the temperatures drop they'll go back into brooders like they did last night."
ReplyDeleteJenna May 14: "This morning as I removed the gear I was a little worried a few chicks would be dead but they all made it."
If she was worried there would be dead chicks in the morning why didn't she put them in the brooder like she claimed she would?
Oh, yeah, duh!!!! Chicks are cheap!
..."Gibson, who was disappointed he couldn't see the chicks he likes terrorizing as he runs circles around the tractor... "
ReplyDeleteThat should be some kind of meat after weeks of stress and fear from the wayward dog. This is why we keep ours in the barn with an outrun away from the dogs. Who wants tough meat? Defeats the purpose of raising your own.
Shaking my head...again. What nonsense!
Jenn
Is it possible that they could die of fright? They're young, tiny and he's a giant predator.
ReplyDeleteIf some of you can recall the way back.... Her yesterday's news pony, Jasper (not cool enough to keep), once playfully "chased" a new lamb she had acquired and brought to Cold Antler Farm until it mysteriously died, I'm guessing from stress.
ReplyDeleteWhen you win a goldfish at the fair, they tell you to leave it in the bag in it's new environment until it acclimates. Animals need quiet, protected time at a new home, too. Imagine that little lamb's terror at leaving it's home then being terrorized by some other giant (to the lamb) animal.
BTW, she's lost chicks to dogs before, too.
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She'd been warned about Jasper chasing the sheep too. She thought it was "cute" though, and didn't listen to advice by us "naysayers".
ReplyDeleteAnd just think of the feed wasted by those chicks burning it to keep warm instead of being kept warm by the heat lamp and the feed being used to grow muscle.
I remember that incident well. It wasn't just Jasper chasing the lamb that stressed it out either, you shouldn't dump a young ewe in an established flock and expect her to compete for hay and grain. If it had been a lush pasture it would have been ok-- no competition.
ReplyDeleteSo, because I'm a glutton for punishment, I watched her latest vlog about giving up her smartphone. Mostly tedious and unoriginal observations about her "addiction" and how she now has to learn how to be with herself (how Zen!). She'll be using the savings from doing away with her phone contract to save up for a puppy or a horse.....but not a root canal I guess. No matter, the toothless look will give her an edge should she decide to sign on as extra on Game of Thrones.
ReplyDeleteShe also blasted someone (herself?) in the comments--- Jenna Woginrich can't tolerate any hint of a suggestion that she is less than God's Gift To Farming and bristles at anything resembling advice no matter how gently given. And as far as having "too much self respect" for herself: Please. No one with self respect would compulsively manipulate their blog readers into sending them gifts and donations just so they didn't have to lower themselves by getting a job.
Poor little birds. Her treatment of animals goes beyond neglect into actual cruelty.
ReplyDeleteI think this blog was referred to as a "hate blog" in her comments, so once again I'd like to say to Jenna and her fans, this isn't hate, it's about differing opinions, which of course aren't allowed at CAF, it's about poor animal husbandry, and quite a bit of anger about an intelligent, educated , able bodied young woman who avoids honesty and hard work in favor of begging, deceit and scamming.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. She is free to support herself in any way she likes, but those who comment here object to begging and failing to deliver promised goods and services as a way to do so.
DeleteShe's a self-absorbed, narcissistic user who's maltreatment of people and livestock is so pervasive it cannot be ignored.
DeleteTruthfully I'd be more impressed with a Vlog that said she was giving up her computer/blog to focus on bettering her farm and spending more time doing real work to pay her bills.
ReplyDeleteSo she gave up her cell phone. Big deal. Lot's of people don't have smartphones, you don't get a party for not having one. But think about how much money she was blowing having one before. When the wolves were at the door.
I tell you what, if I was at risk of not making my mortgage or not having a cell phone, the phone would have been gone a LONG time ago.
The thing is, if I were a paying customer - workshop or logo design, etc. I would want a way to get hold of her besides email. And now she's just eliminated that, giving herself even more freedom to conveniently "no receive" emails that question where the money's gone.
Now she has a fox after her chickens. Of course, she says she has no option but to shoot it. Securing her birds is not possible.
ReplyDeleteLike there's just one fox in the woods? Coyotes, raccoons.....
Why not just secure the birds? Poultry net, guard dog, sturdier chicken tractors etc.
It will be a never ending battle otherwise.
Why should a wild animal have to die because she is negligent in caring for her birds?
DeleteShe gave up her smartphone and wants to learn to "be with herself" or whatever, but she's posting on and milking Facebook every hour. What a hard-working farmer!!
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Exactly Anon 12:21!!! That's what I always thought was weird thought too! How busy can she be when she's on social media every hour. What happened to the 9-9 rule? haha - she probably forgot about it as soon as she posted it!
ReplyDeleteBut FB is where she gets all the unearned accolades for being a pretend farmer and all around badass she-beast!
ReplyDeleteShe wrote a particularly far fetched piece of puffery about herself today: "It's been five years at this home and I have managed to somehow keep it, teach others, and write 5 books." Since when does "somehow" mean lie, defraud, beg, and mooch?
The whole post was barf-worthy and really just baiting people to rally around her to help convince herself that she's something special.
Cold Antler Farm: Much Ado About Nothing.
She has "managed somehow to keep it (the farm)" due to the kindness or ignorance of people who send her money.
DeleteShe 'gave up' her smartphone when she first visited a dentist for her abcess a while back - made a big to-do about buying a regular watch so she would know what time it is. Now she's 'giving it up' again? How many smartphones does the woman own? Or just another manipulation to get the donations rolling in?
ReplyDeleteI lived through 5 years of a spouse with addiction problems. This is all starting to smack of the same. Endless lies, contradicting stories, constant manipulation to feed one's own purposes. Hmm.
I wonder what is up about the Kickstarter money, Birchthorn and all the thankyous and such she owes for that cash? Haven't heard a word about it forever. Too bad for those people who bought into the hype. It's just another yarn CSA folly, I think.
ReplyDeleteGood grief. She's on FB with a big build up for her latest blog post: Today.
ReplyDeleteThis was, apparently, a particularly busy day---- especially if you break down each activity into minutiae:
Ride home
Untack horse
Curry comb horse
...........and so on. She went for a horse ride, doesn't it go without saying that she also untacked and groomed him? Oh, yeah I forgot this is Jenna and she works and plays so much harder than anyone else because she's BADASS!
What the hell does she normally do all day? And why does she find any of this noteworthy? If she thinks that's a big day she should try farming--- you know, for real.
Seems like 9 out of 10 posts are really just self-congratulatory odes to feed her massive ego. She couldn't even write a Mother's Day shout-out without making it about how fabulous she is.
All this is on top of her earlier post summing up how chuffed she is with herself: she has a house, a few head of livestock and has written five mediocre books.....did I miss the part where she was a blind, one-legged, Rwandan refugee with Multiple Sclerosis? What's the big deal? Was she expected to be homeless?
hahahaha. I am laughing so hard. Awesome post.
DeleteI can't figure out the list of activities post either. Seems like she spent a whole lot of time on leisure pursuits that would have been better spent making a living.
DeleteDid you notice that she listed "feel anxiety" as one of her activities?
DeleteGag me with a rotary tiller, please click on my sponsor folks every hit counts to keep this farm afloatin!
ReplyDeleteListen, that Iphone was a POS, so giving it up was like the supreme sacrifice of a morning crap, we don't need to detail it do we, oops guess we do
Then of course hearing this 12 step song was like an AA meeting in a distillery, we are still addicted with the blog, vlog, etc, sorry but this was one of the creepiest things I've seen since Vlog 37.
We are all Hyphen
YOU are so freaking funny. Loved your post.
DeleteLol!
DeleteI love that. We are Hyphen.
ReplyDeleteOne activity I am not seeing is wood harvesting. If she is so hard up for money, why is she still buying wood when she has three acres of it! Now is the time to start chopping, splitting, stacking and storing. Some prepper she is....
ReplyDeleteIt's all part of her strategy. When winter comes she'll switch her persona from Viking Princess to Damsel In Distress and someone will bring her a load. Failing that there's always Stewart's.
Delete#WeAreHyphen
ReplyDeleteThat's hilarious!! Go Hyphen!!!!
DeleteGross. Gross. Gross. I hadn't watched a "vlog" in a damn long time so I clicked on the goat one today and within 30 seconds I am watching her eat cheese. Is she so narcissistic that she think we want to watch her chew? If its a how-to video then just do the damn how-to already.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she was feeling upstaged by the baby goats?
DeleteOh my stars... I looked at the list you're referring to on the blog, and 99% of that (other than "sell logo") is fun & games. Gee, wish I could just play with my animals all day. Unfortunately, I have to work for a living! I do not eat steak or drink hard cider, either. Cha-ching!!!
ReplyDeleteFrom the Vlog. OK... she bartered for eggs? EGGS? How can she not have eggs? How many chickens does she have? I'd say a dozen or so at least. This is prime egg laying season. My chickens are laying up a storm. She mentioned they're just "not laying" or "hiding their eggs." Are we just too lazy to go find them?
ReplyDeleteMan, there's just something so crass about this woman. She's got a pic of her new chicks up on Twitter and she writes: I see many amazing warm meals, fireside, by friends in this photo!
ReplyDeleteIt's just.......weird.
Those vlogs are weak. It's like she's just kind of grasping about for material to keep her channel going ergo $$$ flowing in. Kinda like all her books. On the bright side, if they ever decide to hand out an Oscar for Best Smirk she'll be a shoo-in.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone see the snark she posted on Facebook about the animal strollers? They're not for me either but I don't care if others have them. This sort of attitude is so strange to me. She'll make fun of anyone who is different from her and it's so childish. Why does she do this??? It's like she's stuck in high school or trying to find her identity!
ReplyDeleteYup, I thought the same thing.
DeleteShe looks down on other people for how they relate to their dogs yet she's mentioned (frequently) that Gibson is the most important thing in the world to her and that they've never been more than a few hours apart. She even sleeps naked with him.
Now that is a good point, Anon 12:23 -- I hadn't even thought of that! Gibson is her stand-in for a boyfriend I guess?
DeleteI don't have a stroller either, but if you have a dog with 3 legs, or an elderly one, I can see where they would be handy.
ReplyDeleteHere we go. She's trotted out another recycled version of her Inspirational Post right on schedule. Isn't this at least the tenth time for this crap?
ReplyDelete"My response to when people ask me for advice on how to end up in the same situation I am in."
"Situation"-- interesting choice of words. Yeah, cause I'm sure people are clamoring to figure out how to live just like her. Except without the internet begging and toothaches and constant late payments.....
She urges people to join farmersonly.com but she dissed it on FB earlier then admitted she's not really looking for a farmer. That's okay, Jenna, they're not looking for you either.
Best line: "And maybe one day you'll wake up on a Tuesday morning wearing the same shirt for the 5th day in the row and smile."
Hahaha-- what, you not only wear the same flithy shirt everyday but you sleep in it as well??? Why?????
Ewww seriously???
DeleteMy grandparents were farmers - took their showers at night and were always presentable going into town or for a gathering. No excuse for not keeping clean! Jenna's gross!
Good thing she's not looking for a farmer. They would expect her to work way harder than she is use to or wants to.
ReplyDeleteShe's not looking for a farmer, because one of them would need to work, for goodness sakes!
ReplyDeleteGuess what! We got 3 lambs yesterday and they are totally not jerks, they're lovely animals, and haven't even tried to get out.
ReplyDeleteJenna's not looking for a farmer because she would consider them beneath her. She thinks anyone who makes their living off the land is an ignorant bumpkin that wouldn't get her Community jokes. In addition to being an all-around asshole she's also the most horrific snob. One of my favorite Jenna quotes is from her Reddit AMA: "My friends are all intellectuals (we exist in farm country too). "
ReplyDeleteJust take a moment to let that sink in, folks.
If that doesn't convince the reader that she's a raving narcissist nothing will. Jenna isn't an intellectual and, unless she's been keeping mum about all her dinner parties with Noam Chomsky, none of her friends are either. Like, at all.
Here's the AMA link if anyone else wants a peak into her twisted psyche: https://bestofama.com/amas/274kxt
Great link Anon 8:24. Here's some juicy excerpts.
ReplyDeleteAre you self sufficient using the animals on your farm? How is it going and how was it starting off? My SO and I plan on buying 10-15 acres in the next couple years and would like to hear how the process goes outside of hers and mine knowledge. Thanks!
jwoginrich13 karma6/2/2014, 10:45:15 AM
No tractors here. I use animal power (a fell pony) to help pull logs for logging (I heat with wood) I have rented things like tillers and such but mostly it's just this girl and her hoes.
See what I did there?
jwoginrich7 karma6/2/2014, 10:46:31 AM
Do you mean do I use draft animal power over tractors, then yes. And I off grid and growing all my own food, no. I am on grid and grow a lot, store a lot, but I also meet friends in town at the local diner for a burger or head to Saratoga or Albany for a night out. I try to find a balance.
showmm7 karma6/2/2014, 10:47:01 AM
What's your plan for retirement, or when you get too frail to be out on the fields every day? What are you doing for health insurance? If you break your leg, won't the whole thing go down the drain?
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jwoginrich10 karma6/2/2014, 10:49:32 AM
No plan for retirement. No health insurance. I hope to be able to afford the state plans next year but this year I opted out. Honestly, I think this kind of thinking keeps people in lifestyles that shorten their lifespan. I was going to die overweight of a heart attack at 50 when I had healthcare and a 401k. This afternoon I am going to help load 200+ 5lb bales of hay into a barn in 85 degrees. So healthcare is a fight as well.
I hope to find a partner, and start a business or CSA to save for my older years.
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jwoginrich3 karma6/2/2014, 10:55:28 AM
I don't live that way, thinking that way. A lot of things could happen, but today I am happy. It's enough.
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showmm6 karma6/2/2014, 10:58:17 AM
It's not negative thinking, it's thinking about practical consequences. How happy will you be later today if you do break your legs falling over one of those bales?
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jwoginrich7 karma6/2/2014, 11:01:09 AM
so unhappy! So let's say I do break a leg today. Here is what would happen: Up here I have been farming for around 7 years in two states that border each other: VT/NY. Friends would take over chores, so the animals would be okay. Medical bills would have to be figured out through some act of the gods - maybe I could crowdfund in exchange for something like a novel or book? I don't know really. I just know that today I hay, and that hay feeds my horses through winter. Winter is coming.
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showmm3 karma6/2/2014, 11:05:18 AM
Ok, there's at least somewhat of a plan. Good, and good luck to you!
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jwoginrich2 karma6/2/2014, 11:06:12 AM
thank you!
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allenahansen3 karma6/2/2014, 12:24:29 PM
With all due respect, I suggest you do. Living alone on the land is fraught with unforeseen peril-- as any GOT aficionado can tell you. An adventurous heart is one thing, goofy naivety is another....
PS. I know whereof I speak. ;-)
Notice that she uses a fell pony to pull logs for wood heat. Thunk.... I just fell off my chair.
ReplyDelete"die overweight of a heart attack at 50" ROFLMFAO!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteShe also did an AMA in 2012.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ufy9x/iama_a_single_29yearold_homesteader_author/
How come her friends will take care of her animals if she's injured or going to the MEN Fair but not if she's going to visit her family?
ReplyDeleteJenna's hawking her newborn goats on FB:
ReplyDelete"Looking for a goat to add to your farm. I have Alpine kids, both a male and female, that need a new home! They are $100 (male) $150 (female). Please share with your Veryork friends!"
Not registered or tested for CAE, and she wants $250 for the pair? I'd laugh but some twit will pay up for them. You could buy a bred adult doe for that price.
Not around here, you couldn't (buy a bred adult doe for that price). I think those prices are actually reasonable.
DeleteI'm from her area and it didn't take me long to find a bred Alpine doe for $150, registered Alpine doelings for $150, grade Alpine doelings for $75 and grade bucklings for $50. Market prices were $10-80 for kids of all types this last week.
DeleteShe's more in line with Craigslist sellers pricewise but in my experience the Craigslist crowd are often dreamers.
Yeah, I guess location really makes a difference. Around here, a registered, tested Alpine doe (adult) would fetch an easy $300-$350. Registered doe kids would easily go for $250+.
DeleteOn CAF facebook: "Never forget who was there for you when no one else was." Patricia Woginrich. Sad.
ReplyDeleteI don't facebook. Was her mother's comment a new one? What was it in response to? Thanks for any information you might have.
DeleteIt was a meme her mother posted, Jenna didn't acknowledge it. This is in addition to another meme her mother posted the other day--- about how hard it is not to talk to her every day--- also unacknowledged.
DeleteBack in the day her mother used to comment on the blog, my jaw dropped one day when I saw how the JennaFans spoke to her when she was having a disagreement with Jenna about something. I kept waiting for Jenna to say something "Hey, people that's my mom....." Nope.
Thanks for the info Anon 11:51. Just ruminating further - talking to your mother every day does seem excessive to me. However, we don't know the real dynamics between Jenna and her mother, but that issue should be worked out between themselves in private, not on a public blog or facebook site that are business sites used to generate income.
DeleteDisparaging her mother in the comments is an entirely different subject, and regardless of how she feels about her mother, Jenna should have shut that down - that would have been the mature, business-smart thing to do. If people will attack your mother, they will attack you too. Keeping the comments geared towards homesteading is the important thing, because, bottom line, your readers are where your income is coming from. The readers don't need to see your dirty laundry. As Anon 3:33 said, sad.
Anon 1:19 - I totally agree with you. Talking to your mother every day does seem excessive. But not speaking up when commentors are disparaging your mother is just wrong.
DeleteFor clarification, the text of the meme:
DeleteThe hardest thing is not talking to someone you used to talk to everyday
Ok, that changes everything. Now I understand. Her mother was referring to when Jenna was living at home.
DeleteA new dog. This is insane WTF!
ReplyDeleteI was just going to post about the new puppy. "haven't done the design yet! The breeder is thinking about what they want!"
ReplyDeleteSo she bartered a logo for this puppy. At least the breeder is smart enough not to give her the dog without having the logo in-hand first!!!
She can't even properly take care of the animals she has (crowdfund for Gibson's vet bills). Oh well, now we'll have CAF puppy mill. sigh...
This is beyond WTF!
ReplyDeleteJenna doesn't deserve a new dog and she can't afford it. It was just a couple of months ago she was BEGGING for DONATIONS for Gibson's vet bills.
This is typical Jenna--- the puppy is meant to be a "boost" after two rough winters. Whenever Jenna's down she goes casting about for new animals.
So, she's getting the puppy by doing a partial barter for a logo design--- meaning she doesn't actually have enough money to buy a puppy. Hmm, what about all the puppy shots and spaying--- CAF puppy mill here we come!
I think it's only fair these people know what kind of business woman Jenna is. We know she's left people in the lurch for logo designs and we also know that she had to beg for Gibson's vet bills. Is that the kind of person you would want to sell a puppy to?
The puppy is coming from Mill Iron S Ranch:
www.milliron-sranch.com/
Millironsranch@gmail.com