Maria CrispellApril 17, 2015 at 9:24 PM
Last year when my husband still had pigs, he had to go on a trip. He was all worried about whether I had enough firewood while he was gone, etc. I told him I can handle anything, as long as your stupid pigs don't get loose. Of course they did. Twice. This year when he went away, no big deal since no pigs, just my animals plus his heifer and turkeys. One day while he was gone, my Alpine buck got loose. No problem, I put him back in his pen and did a little pen reconfiguration. Didn't think much of it until my husband got home and realized that while the buck was loose he stripped Every Single Wire off the tractor....
A comment from Cold Antler Farm. Makes sense these are her supporters.
Stupid pigs but not stupid goat she allowed to get out?
Get with the program it's stupid people not stupid animals.
Cold Antler Farm- where the animals are smarter than the "farmer" and her following.
People don't like "stupid" pigs because they highlight how freaking inept they themselves are.
She didn't call Merlin stupid this time, she said he didn't like limitations, such as, staying inside the fences.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who finds themselves calling their animals insulting names is in over their head; the animals have simply become a PITA chore.
ReplyDeleteIf only the husband's animals are "stupid" then maybe the marriage needs work as well.
Just sayin'.
Oh good grief. If I got offended at everyone who made a comment about "stupid sheep", I'd be offended all the time. Some people don't like pigs. Big deal. I do believe the commenter was making a joke about how her goat ended up being just as much of a pain as her husband's pigs.
DeleteAnd anyone who hasn't called their animals an insulting name only has "pets" and plays at farming.
Can we agree generalizations like that are untrue? I love my animals but there are times my animals have frustrated me enough to call them bad names. Big deal. They can't understand me.
Anon 9:19...
DeleteI ABSOLUTELY disagree with you.
I've lived and worked on a commercial operation with 100s of pigs that were not called names or considered pets.
The only stupid thing on that farm was the people.
Anon 9:19...
DeleteI ABSOLUTELY disagree with you.
I've lived and worked on a commercial operation with 100s of pigs that were not called names or considered pets.
The only stupid thing on that farm was the people.
Exactly, Meredith. My point was that generalizations like Anon 2:59 made only make the person making them look stupid.
DeleteCalling animals names out of frustration makes one human, not an asshole. Trying to claim anyone who calls an animal anything but "fluffy honeykins babydoll" is in over his/her head is just stupid.
You can disagree with me all you like. Picking on trivial things like who called pigs stupid or who called sheep assholes makes y'all look ridiculous. There are bigger fish to fry.
Yes, what is with this name calling? JW called her sheep assholes then called Merlin a dick.
ReplyDeleteDoes not make the name caller look good.
Remember that oft used childhood phrase "I know you are, but what am I"? I think Jenna's animals ought to wear shirts with this saying.
ReplyDeleteI've fired help who went off on our cattle and called them assholes. I don't believe animals are Disney creatures, but if you have to resort to cussing when you handle them, then you aren't looking at yourself and trying to improve your own handling and farming. I am especially sensitive about how they're treated when we are shipping them to slaughter. I believe that day should be totally stress free.
ReplyDeleteAgree completely. Individuals who work with animals require skill, understanding, and patience.
DeleteA person's failures at correctly fencing or containing their livestock does not make those animals stupid or assholes.
Displacing blame.
The animals got out of the fencing (outsmarted the human)...and they are the stupid ones?!
When the pigs outsmarted me I would comment on their intelligence and make a note of the circumstances so it didn't happen again. Farmers should learn from their animals through their behaviors and mistakes made.
I never called my pigs stupid...though they sometimes made me feel stupid!
More often than not I would be mesmerized and proud of their cleverness.
If you can't work with your pigs of outsmart them...it's a species that shouldn't be on your farm. Pigs often get abused because they are simply owned by idiots.
most people that have pigs shouldn't and many that should don't because of the experience of those who do but should not.
I would terminate an employee who spoke in those terms because it shows frustration not patience. Either a bad fit for the farm or they have insufficient time, tools, or training.
You guys are so funny. I still maintain animals are like people- there are nice ones, goofy ones, jerkface ones, etc. Animals can act like jerks when you're handling them, or they can act like jerks to each other. Animals have bad days just like people do. Why is it ok to call people assholes (people who can understand the words, hear the words, read the words, etc) but not animals? The animals have no clue "asshole" means something different, unless of course your whole demeanor changes. I'm not talking about going nuts and mistreating them, yelling at them, etc.
ReplyDeleteCan you people not understand the difference in writing that an animal is an asshole and beating them? Seriously.
When one of my goats goes out of her way to hit another goat for no reason, I called her an asshole. When the ram got so mean he'd go out of his way to run you down, I called him an asshole. There are just times animals act like assholes.
But go ahead and keep calling the humans names while pretending those who call animals assholes are abusing or neglecting them. Because that makes sense.
Anon. 9:59, I actually agree with you. There are times when I have occasionally called my dog a dumb ass, and times when I have called one or two of my hens bitches (when they were mercilessly picking on a younger hen). I also occasionally refer to deserving people in the same way. Doesn't mean I abuse them or mistreat them, just that I recognize they are not always polite or respectful to each other or to me, just like humans. Personally, I think it's a pretty harmless way of venting, unless you are doing it in a way where the animal feels scolded for something that might actually be the owner's fault, such as with a dog or horse when you are working with it.
DeleteDescribing the way animals treat one another is TOTALLY different than what I posted above.
DeleteSaying "look at that pig, he generally has a bad disposition and is a jerk to the other pigs" is different than saying "that pig is such a jerk, it needs water." or "that pig is so stupid it keeps getting out of the fence."
The pig that notices a faulty or insufficient fence and opportunistically gets out multiple times is the stupid one? I beg to differ. The husband that can't properly fence in his pigs is stupid. He routinely can't get it rigut nor does he even figure it out before going out of town so his wife isn't burdened with this problem.
The husband is the problem for not fixing or installing species specific fencing that is dependable.
The pig isn't her problem, her partner is.
This is an interesting topic and divide. It has made me realize the following.
ReplyDelete1. I would never board a horse, kennel a dog etc where my animal was called stupid or an asshole for getting out of fencing where boards were down, there was a hole in the fence etc.
2. I would not work for someone who blamed the animals for their failures.
3. I would not employee someone who blamed the animals for their failures.
I worked on a farm where the pigs were the assholes for daily failures on management and staffs part. I see how rapidly name calling out of frustration leads to kicking and physical abuse. The assholes pigs out of the fence become this kicked pigs with stuff thrown at them out of this fence.
Not on my watch. Not to my animals.
This is totally different than describing a mare as marish for normal mare behaviors. The comment was not made describing species intreacting but describing infrastructure failures. How does a shifty fence translate into a stupid animal?
Again, just because someone uses a word (it's only a WORD) to describe an animal in a moment of frustration, doesn't mean they're going to abuse them. That's ridiculous. Perhaps *some* people who abuse animals also started by calling names, but I have called names now and then and NEVER abuse my animals.
DeleteMaybe you seem to have a skewed view because you have a knack for finding farms who mistreat their animals. ?
And I'm pretty sure people who call their animals "stupid" at times don't mean it in the literal sense. After all, the word "stupid' has been used to describe inanimate objects. I mean, when I get frustrated and call my flat tire a "stupid tire", I'm not questioning the tire's intelligence, I'm just expressing frustration.
Nothing wrong with stupid freaking flat tire.
DeleteSomething wrong with stupid freaking animals that won't stay within shotty poorly built not well thought out the owner did it their job well enough fencing.
Just different opinions.
I firmly think those who work with animals, children, the disabled, and elderly folks require patience and understanding at an elevated level.
To me the comment is akin to saying stupid baby needs its diaper changed. Is it acceptable because the person just changed the diaper and again it's soiled and requires changing? You simply can not get frustrated when living things do what is natural to them.
Feed, water, shelter (fencing), wellness...if one can't handle the basics drive a truck, sit at a computer, office space style fantasize bashing a copier machine.
I think this touches on personality type. I am highly intuitive, I see and sense things that are there but not obvious to others. This includes an understanding of predictive behavior.
DeleteI think this touches on personality type. I am highly intuitive, I see and sense things that are there but not obvious to others. This includes an understanding of predictive behavior.
DeleteThis is an interesting topic and divide. It has made me realize the following.
ReplyDelete1. I would never board a horse, kennel a dog etc where my animal was called stupid or an asshole for getting out of fencing where boards were down, there was a hole in the fence etc.
2. I would not work for someone who blamed the animals for their failures.
3. I would not employee someone who blamed the animals for their failures.
I worked on a farm where the pigs were the assholes for daily failures on management and staffs part. I see how rapidly name calling out of frustration leads to kicking and physical abuse. The assholes pigs out of the fence become this kicked pigs with stuff thrown at them out of this fence.
Not on my watch. Not to my animals.
This is totally different than describing a mare as marish for normal mare behaviors. The comment was not made describing species intreacting but describing infrastructure failures. How does a shifty fence translate into a stupid animal?
Well, blaming others when you are outsmarted, out-maneuvered or even negligent is a pretty common human trait. We also blame others for traffic accidents that clearly are our own fault and sue companies when we slip and fall in their store because we were not watching where we were going, or spilled hot coffee on ourselves, etc. It's not an attractive trait, but it is uniquely human and very widespread lol.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying I've never been frustrated, angry...all those things. I'm getting older, so maybe it's just age that makes me realize the futility of even starting down that path. "Asshole" is the first step. I've never even thought of my dogs or horses that way. I've always been in love with them and taken total responsibility for their lives and behavior. I've also learned to feel that way about the cattle, even last year when I was checking a newborn calf and didn't see the cow coming, and she hit me hard with her head and knocked me flat on my backside. I'm lucky she didn't stomp me too. I didn't call her names, I knew I was the stupid one. I've known most of our cattle from birth to the day they're slaughtered. They're generally easy to handle. The young man who called them assholes wasn't having a hard time with them. He was sorting them into pens, and they were going where they were supposed to. I thought it was a sign that he was looking for an excuse to use unnecessary force. Or that he had no understanding of prey animals.
ReplyDeleteA little off-topic, but I was just re-reading over these comments and remembered when the CAF blog used to be the place for such respectful, interesting and lively commentary. There sure were some interesting threads of conversation there, back in the day. Of course that's all gone now. But I'm glad we have a place here at Meredith's to discuss such things.
ReplyDeleteI agree, HFH. Discussion is important and even enjoyable whether we agree or not. There were a lot of things about Jenna I don't agree with, but I gave up on her when she stopped comments and wouldn't listen to anyone but fans.
ReplyDeleteI have watched a couple of horse clinicians who are very soft spoken and have a zen like approach to horses. You really wouldn't get away with calling any horse an Asshole in one of their clinics. Working with someone like that really does make you think about being mindful of your intentions and your communication. I once took my horse to a well known trainer's clinic, he was very very loud and used very derogatory language, and my horse was freaked out by him, but he wouldn't listen to me about why. Then he got even worse and it was all blame and shame as loudly as he could. The impression I got of him, was that you had to be willing to be abused and let him abuse your horse too, in order to work with him. It was all verbal, but it was abuse.
Redhorse, I'm inclined to agree with you. I had a herding instructor who forever changed my outlook on dog training.
ReplyDeleteShe said that years and years back, she had a headstrong dog who was great working stock, but was not developing good house manners or social skills, in spite of excellent breeding and abundant exercise and training. Nearly every day, she found herself yelling at the dog, and ending the day frustrated. Then one day, she watched the same border collie stop cold, tilt her head, and listen to a mouse overhead in the rafters of the barn. At that moment, she decided she was done yelling. Forever. If the dog could listen to the pitter patter of tiny mouse feet, she was having no problem HEARING instructions. She started training the dog at a near whisper. It worked wonders.
I was stunned when she told me that, but I immediately started giving my dog commands in a very soft voice. I only raise my voice if there's a problem ("leave it!"). Since I hardly ever raise my voice, when I do, she stops cold. She also pays much closer attention to what I'm saying, of that I'm certain. People have commented on how strange they find it, if they're visiting our house and I say "Go lie down" in a very quiet voice, and she listens.
Now, it really gets on my nerves when I see people in public yelling "SIT, LASSIE, SIT-SIT-SIT! NOW!" and even more so when the cussing starts up.
We had some fencing work done earlier this year, and it really irritated me that the contractor kept referring to our donkey as "What an ass. What an ASS, HAHAHA!" He took a bunch of pictures with his camera, and then put the pictures on social media with similar comments. I know he didn't necessarily mean to offend, but it annoyed me and I was happy when he left.
~A
That's a cool story.
DeleteSure, we have all lost our temper or said things we really didn't mean or think through enough. It's a human thing. But I do see a difference between a heat of the moment name calling and then writing about it in a blog and calling your sheep assholes or your horse a dick. Franky, that was just offensive to me. Maybe I'm more sensitive, but I dunno, just another nail in the coffin of Jenna admiration. I totally get it, she was trying to make a point. But the point seems to be that she is the only making mistakes and she is blaming the animals for it.
ReplyDeleteI can see both sides to this issue. Name calling doesn't necessarily mean you are abusing your animals. But when you have a public blog and a business, it lacks professionalism.
ReplyDeleteI follow several dog trainers and if they called their dogs names, it would seem to me they are poor trainers and unprofessional to boot. I would lose respect for them and move on.
I think when you have a very public blog and are trying to build a business, you are held to a higher standard. And if you don't like that higher standard, maybe you shouldn't have a public blog and business. I think name calling makes the name caller look bad.
"I think name calling makes the name caller look bad." That reminds me of a clever retort I would give if people ever called names or made a derogatory comment: "That [comment] says more about you than it does about me!"
DeleteI have a question, unrelated to this post, that might be another blog post at some point, maybe? I love reading blogs like Meredith's, about healthy animal husbandry, growing your own food, and general self-sufficiency. When I was young I never learned to cook. I could open a can of soup or make mac and cheese out of a box - that's about it. If I had been smart, I'd have taken home-ec in school. But now I find myself in my 30s with minimal cooking skills, but a desire to learn more and become more self-sufficient in all aspects of my life. But where do I start? I can read blogs until the cows come home (pun intended), but what's the first step? Cooking classes? A small garden? Buying shares in locally-raised cows/pigs? It's very overwhelming when you don't have any skills and there are a million people telling you three million opinions! What are some good 101-type education practices that you recommend? That you teach your children/grandchildren?
ReplyDeleteThanks for any and all advice!
--Newbie
If you are on a tight budget, the public library is a great place to start. You can find books on beginning cooking and gardening. Some people here may be able to recommend books to start with.
DeleteMost counties have a County Extension Agency. They have a wealth of information on gardening and cooking.
Some communities have adult education classes, usually offered through the local school system. These can be a nice inexpensive option.
I think you should start wherever you feel moved to start. If you like the idea of gardening, then grow some vegetables and begin learning to cook them. I started with putting up a clothesline because at the time saving electricity and using natural resources as much as possible was important to me, and from there I looked at my back lawn and realized I didn't need half of it and so I decided to grow some of our family's food. And from there, I learned to preserve and can the stuff I was growing. You should start wherever your passion is strongest!
DeleteOne thing you can do, is start paying attention to recipes with foods you like, and try them. And try them when they are in season. I did not learn much in Home Ec (except how to clean an oven). But I watched my mother… Even then, I am now doing more things than she does in terms of stepping outside the box. For growing your own stuff, I would start easy- Tomatoes, peas. For meats, go to a farmer's market and get a cut of something you like. Then, start using some recipes. The more you do, the better you will become :)
DeleteArgghh... this irritates me to no end. Using someone else's watermarked art (fiddling wolf) to sell her fiddle camp on Facebook. She truly has no ethics at all. Original art source: http://therebornwolf.deviantart.com/art/Tribal-Fiddling-Wolf-336857284
ReplyDeleteJenna Woginrich
ReplyDelete2 hrs ·
Adopted a kitten from a little rescue today. She's small and lanky as a ferret. Reminds me of Yeti. I'm calling her Brèagha (Bree-ya). Bo is not on board.
Maybe I'm just stupid but if you're so broke you have to beg on the internet to get money for your dog's vet bills why would you adopt a kitten?
And what rescue would adopt to her? Four cats have died or gone missing while being in her care.
A little rescue means she got it from a farmer….
ReplyDeleteCats seem to be disposable to her. Remember when she said she would rather find out that Yeti was hit by a car or eaten by a coyote than rescued?
ReplyDeleteI agree. Every one of her cats has been eaten by a predator or hit by a car. Since she doesn't care about their well-being, she should just use mousetraps in her barn and house.
DeleteNot really on topic with anything here, but why is she buying pre-grown plants from a store for her garden? From what I've gathered, she's not working a massive space. I can imagine any number of excuses, but not much is needed for starting seeds. I do it every year, but what do I know...I'm just a "poodle."
ReplyDeleteI noticed that too! I mean, she's got all day, right? Why not start some seeds indoors?
ReplyDeleteTo say nothing of the fact that plants are WAY more expensive than seed.
ReplyDeleteI don't start seeds indoors because I have no way for them to get enough light. Perhaps she doesn't either. By the time I buy starter mix, seeds, flats, lighting, etc, I may as well buy the plants.
ReplyDeleteA few years ago I bought a couple of grow lights at Walmart for $10 each. I used chains to hang them from one of those cheap wire kitchen wire shelves, they can be adjusted as the plants grow. They don't really provide enough light to grow anything for more than 6 weeks, but that's usually enough. I also buy a lot of my plants if I don't want more than 4 or 6 of something.
ReplyDeleteAs an experienced market gardener and all-around plant nerd, I can say with certainty that unless you're planting a fairly large garden space (trying to feed a homesteading family or growing for market), seed starting at home isn't always economical or practical and purchasing organic, locally-grown plants is a fantastic option. (Bonnie plants from Lowe's...less so.) There are a lot of economy of scale benefits in home seed starting, and if you have a garden space as small as JW does, it's actually smarter to buy in the handful of plants you need. Remember, homesteading doesn't mean pure INDEPENDENCE--no one can do everything herself. It's all about INTERDEPENDENCE--doing what makes sense for you to do yourself and what you're skilled at, and then supporting other homesteaders/small businesses by purchasing from them what they're skilled at producing.
ReplyDeleteI would have to respectfully disagree with you on this. If you save your seeds from year to year, starting your plants from seeds is extremely economical because it's free. A six-pack of tomatoes will run you a few bucks, but the 16 tomato plants I have inside right now cost me nothing, because they were started from seeds I saved last year. Even a $1.99 pack of seeds will give you 25 - 50 plants over a couple of years -- probably more than the average garden needs. But if you share those seeds or your seedlings with neighbors, then it really does stretch a dollar!
ReplyDeleteI understand your rationale Anon 10:31, but I'll start my own organic, locally-grown (at home) plants from seed, thank you very much! :-) As for her supporting another organic/market gardener or greenhouse, I bet dollars to donuts she got those plants at some sort of big box store.
ReplyDeleteAs far as her "not being able to do everything herself", yes. No one can, but I reiterate: SHE'S GOT ALL DAY.
Jenna markets herself as a homesteading expert. Growing food from seed is a basic skill - something you'd want to teach your followers. Real homesteaders grow more than a handful of plants - they grow enough to preserve and eat during winter. Any excess that can't be saved long-term (like lettuce) can be donated to the local food bank, or given to neighbors and friends, or fed to the pigs. The homesteader blogs I follow planted their seeds indoors in potting trays weeks ago, and are now started to plant their seedlings outside. If Jenna had given up a few horse rides, she could have done the same thing.
ReplyDeleteExcept don't forget - she didn't touch Merlin all winter. (Thus, him being a "dick.") So yeah...really no excuse for not starting seeds.
DeleteI'm also waiting to see if she finally starts harvesting her own wood from her own woodlot for next winter. I don't think that will ever happen, but wow. What a resource. Wish I had my own woods. She could at least gather small enough stuff to have kindling for the whole winter. Just a side thought.
ReplyDeleteSeriously. Could you imagine the stock pile of wood she'd have by winter if she started now, doing a little bit every week? And with a wood stove, she really wouldn't even need to pay someone to come with a splitter since she should be burning larger cuts of wood anyway. She could get that done with a chainsaw.
DeleteAn operation like Jenna's should have everything necessary to get started at very little cost if resources are used wisely. I have all the supplies, and I don't even have a "farm." I have two compost bins going all year which can be used alone as the seed starting material or mixed with a small store-bought bag of soil (which runs about $3). You buy a (or a few, if you want to start a lot of seeds) self-watering trays (about $7 each for the 40-ish pod ones) and you should have it for years if you don't destroy it. I have a whole box of them in my basement that I've used for the past 5 years or so. I also have loads of saved seeds. If you purchase good quality seeds once, and collect your seeds year after year, you're all set for a lot of produce. She's not growing for market, so the average backyard gardener will likely not even use an entire packet of seeds in one season for most of the veggies they're growing. There are also seed swaps that are a great way to get more variety without having to spend any money. So...make a wise investment one time and you're good to go for many growing seasons. *Smart* growing, *smart* spending, *smart* use of resources (okay okay...I think I'm starting to see why she doesn't...).
ReplyDeleteYes, I am a little surprised she chose to buy plants, considering she is the author of "Made from scratch". I'm sure anyone interested in following a homesteading blog would be interested in learning how to start plants from seeds.
ReplyDeleteAnd I too am waiting for her to harvest her own wood. Especially since she makes snide comments about people who shop at supermarkets.
Speaking of compost, Jenna had a blog entry (June 23, 2011) saying she got a box of worms in the mail to start composting the kitchen scraps. (Vermiculture was all the rage for a while - people were setting up worm composting in their kitchens.) I wonder what happened to that? Over the years, that would have given her enough soil to start seeds with.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, in the comments she said, "I'm testing this product out, it's a kitchen composter called the Worm Factory. You set up trays, like supers on a hive and the worms turn it into rich, black, supercharged casting-coated soil. Fantastic! I just set them up with the DVD it came with. Let's hope the dogs don't eat it!"
DeleteIt probably got sold during one of her many "crises."
DeleteShe probably killed the worms.
DeleteSeriously, you're probably right. She has absolutely no skill at keeping any sort of animal alive.
Deleteshe had one of those vertical outdoor greenhouses, wonder what happened to that?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of stuff that's disappeared, what about that fancy-dancy camera a fan bought her? I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting that she got as gifts then turned around and sold.
DeleteOh my gosh... Jenna's overflowing into other awesome blogs. This lady I love to read, she mentioned SOMEONE with a horse, that had a bad ride and that she called him a BAD name... like a jerk and this lady would not repeat it... (hmmm.... maybe Dick?) And then she wrote about how she got her horsie so nice... hahaha.... you just gotta go and read it! I got a little kick outta it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.apiferafarm.blogspot.com/2015/04/earth-day-trash-service-brought-to-you.html
Here's the excerpt:
Delete"Boone is a stoic fellow. But I ride him consistently, and not just for 15 minutes. I read some one's blog recently who had a miserable ride on her horse, a horse she rarely rides and then gets upset with when she gets on him and he–in her words–acts like a jerk, actually I think she used another word I won't use here. All sorts of people gave their two cents on her situation. I didn't feel sorry for her, nor did I offer input since I don't know her from Adam and she didn't ask for it. But if she asked me how I got here with Boone, I'd tell her,
I rode him, a lot. And I took some lessons for a year-to improve me, to be a better leader.
Most rewarding thing I ever did and so glad I had a mentor who guided me that way. My farrier too once said to me, after Boone and I got through our initial year or so of misbehaving-
"Number one thing to do with your horse-ride him. You can do all the ground work in the world, go to fancy clinics, read books, but you have to get on and ride him, and not for 15 minutes but hours. Consistently."
Wow! I checked out this woman's blog and she seems to be a class act. Thanks for posting.
ReplyDeletePretty funny. Just another example of how we know JW comes tot his blog all the time. She obviously read that link someone posted above [anon 5:15], about the riding. Over and over I've seen her to this, she waits about 2-3 days and then writes a post in response to something she has seen here, and it's always a post that has her trying to prove to the world-and her self, something that is half fantasy. So she posts about her history with Merlin-and now all of sudden she's telling how she rode him 'for hours' all over her 'mountain' I think she used that word. Laughable, JW. You are like a little child that is caught over and over, and you pout, stomp your feet and make up your own reality. Oh wait a minute, you're into that, I forgot. If you were riding Merlin for hours, you'd be riding Merlin for hours, but you aren't and we all know it. And she had to brag about all her books!
ReplyDeleteHmmm. I just had an eery thought. I think Jenna wrote the Anoyn. 3:47 comment. That way, you'd all go look, and then she could write a post and tell you all off. Her Merlin post [JW's} sounded snippy and angry, defensive to me. But that is par for her course. Anyway, I liked that other blog! Gorgeous photos!
ReplyDeleteNo, sorry, I wrote it. and I am def not Jenna. :-) Sorry! I do agree that she probably went and read it and that her post was in response to the other blog post. :-)
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